tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post92788461996505321..comments2023-09-07T05:42:13.411-05:00Comments on Flower Mound Citizens Against Urban Drilling: UPDATE: Williams vs. Flower Mound – Round 3Concerned Citizen Of Flower Moundhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11725375582002614324noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-49864285575588591892011-05-23T11:56:39.743-05:002011-05-23T11:56:39.743-05:00From the RRC website:
"UPLOADED PROTEST FROM ...From the RRC website:<br />"UPLOADED PROTEST FROM HARLAN JEFFERSON REPRESENTING TOWN OF FLOWER MOUND TEXAS 05/23/2011 11:23:12 AM RRC STAFF"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-57032731628699904592011-05-21T13:48:05.722-05:002011-05-21T13:48:05.722-05:00On a related topic, Tom Corbett, Republican gov of...On a related topic, Tom Corbett, Republican gov of Penn. has come out against the practice of force pooling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-45373630665970709182011-05-21T13:42:29.238-05:002011-05-21T13:42:29.238-05:00NPZ's have always been included in Rule 37'...NPZ's have always been included in Rule 37's (at least as long as I've been following this). Frankly, specifically on the topic of well spacing, I have less issue with them because if they do no encroach on unsigned property, they are at least attempting to protect individual property rights. I'm no lawyer (thank goodness) but my reading of the law seems to suggest that the "taking" language only applies to governmental authority. i.e. cities and not private entities like Williams, although I see your clear logic. Furthermore, it applies only in the case of compenation for the value of minerals NOT able to be produced as opposed to visa versa. As far as it being retaliation, I think they would have done that same thing no matter how much or little resistance they have seen in ths past.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-29927741775799170262011-05-21T09:17:49.188-05:002011-05-21T09:17:49.188-05:00Question for Anon May 20, 10:27 p.m. In March of t...Question for Anon May 20, 10:27 p.m. In March of this year, there was talk of the TRRC including Non-perforation zones (NPZ) as part of SWR 37. Did that ever occur?<br /><br />Also, Anon May 19, 9:04 p.m. makes an interesting statement. If Williams were to be granted the exception to SWR 37, could the Town sue for a "takings," as what Ron Hilliard threatened at the Titan Powell Unit hearing before the Oil and Gas Board of Appeals on December 15, 2010, or is "takings" only a surface land use violation under the Fifth Admendment of the Constitution?<br /><br />Both Titan and Keystone have current "takings" and "capricious" lawsuits against the Town. You would think that goes both ways, since Williams wants to "take" the Town's minerals. It also appears to be a retaliatory whim on Williams' part due to the resistance they have encoutered in Flower Mound.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-63395040874963847282011-05-20T22:27:05.128-05:002011-05-20T22:27:05.128-05:00@Anon May 20, 2011 5:45 PM
In the Barnett, there a...@Anon May 20, 2011 5:45 PM<br />In the Barnett, there are special "field rules" set by the Commission that allow the operator to come within 330' feet of a tract or lease line. No, the operator does not have to pay any monies to the unleased mineral owner IF the Rule 37 exception is granted. In Texas, a mineral owner cannot seek redress for past drainage, their "remedy" is to drill their own well to recover the hydrocarbons. In this case however, most people who have not signed a lease want to assert their private property right NOT to harvest their minerals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-44838726277092207722011-05-20T17:45:07.785-05:002011-05-20T17:45:07.785-05:00SWR 37 mandates that an oil and gas operator has t...SWR 37 mandates that an oil and gas operator has to stay 467 feet away from any competitor's lease or unleased properties.<br /><br />Exception to Rule 37, the operator is requesting to drill within the 467 feet, usually in urban areas and/or lands restricted by the local governments.<br /><br />Does anybody know the answer if the operator has to pay royalties to the mineral rights' owner if they are granted the exception to SWR 37 by the TRRC?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-57300600267810682092011-05-20T15:22:22.026-05:002011-05-20T15:22:22.026-05:00Also, forced pooling would allow a driller's a...Also, forced pooling would allow a driller's actual wellbore to traverse a previously unleased track, unlike a Rule 37 which does not, but may allow minerals to be drained from the property.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-1206139180063930072011-05-20T15:21:05.417-05:002011-05-20T15:21:05.417-05:00@ anon May 20, 2011 1:05 PM
You can frack under an...@ anon May 20, 2011 1:05 PM<br />You can frack under an unleased track if you have an approved Rule 37 permit. The well bore itself cannot traverse an unleased property, that is a physical tresspass. The problem lies in the fact that you don't know how far with fracture and stimulation of a well, the fracture points will reach. Since typical between well spacing is about 500 feet, it is fairly resonable to assume that it goes a minimum of 250 feet, but many experts will tell you it can go much further than that, depending upon a whole litany of variables.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-23514789729891931032011-05-20T13:05:43.336-05:002011-05-20T13:05:43.336-05:00I believe a rule 37 allows the driller to drill up...I believe a rule 37 allows the driller to drill up to the property line of an unleased track. It does not allow them to drill or frack an unleased track - that would be forced pooling. Forced pooling is completely different. I know the differences don't seem important but they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-4095121565818434452011-05-20T11:46:47.442-05:002011-05-20T11:46:47.442-05:00They shorten the laterals in urban areas because t...They shorten the laterals in urban areas because they rarely can find a path that is very long without a possible "tresspass" issue since they cannot drill directly under an unleased tract. They can only try to frack under an unleased track. (i.e. Rule 37) That's why long distance drilling is not viable in most urban areas unless you get the vast majority to sign leases along the entire lateral. In Flower Mound, that is nearly impossible. You are correct though, in that situation, they would attempt to take more minerals without a lease, further trampling in individual property rights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-41751109269469351832011-05-20T10:36:10.796-05:002011-05-20T10:36:10.796-05:00I hate to keep beating a dead horse here but I hav...I hate to keep beating a dead horse here but I have to ask. How many Rule 37 exceptions would be needed with a 2 mile (long distance drilling) lateral in an urban area like ours? <br />These gas companies shorten their laterals so it doesn't look like a lot of residents and landowners are protesting. <br />Just look at the TRRC site and you can see how many times they amend a permit when requesting a Rule 37 exception.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-83121991454429544062011-05-20T10:04:07.724-05:002011-05-20T10:04:07.724-05:00Titan Operating also filed on on the City of Lewis...Titan Operating also filed on on the City of Lewisville. Lewisville has already protested and the hearing is pending. Maybe Williams and Titan can get together and share notes on how to screw local municipalities. I mean, being such good neighbors and all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-24484852434870556202011-05-19T21:04:30.994-05:002011-05-19T21:04:30.994-05:00Talk about a "taking."Talk about a "taking."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-33084593065907287262011-05-19T11:52:20.349-05:002011-05-19T11:52:20.349-05:00http://www.rrc.state.tx.us/index.phphttp://www.rrc.state.tx.us/index.phpFMCAUDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17686459036891601702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-33690715496647381182011-05-19T11:18:30.311-05:002011-05-19T11:18:30.311-05:00Please publish the link where we can monitor or tr...Please publish the link where we can monitor or track these issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-1143770378896583332011-05-19T10:55:50.476-05:002011-05-19T10:55:50.476-05:00I could have sworn I read on the Williams website ...I could have sworn I read on the Williams website how ethical they are, apparently stealing what doesn't belong to you is now "ethical" according to Williams.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-57562532647686835502011-05-19T10:38:48.433-05:002011-05-19T10:38:48.433-05:00Someone please fire the Williams PR person, they d...Someone please fire the Williams PR person, they do not deserve WHATEVER they get paid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-63337024034202695522011-05-19T10:36:25.866-05:002011-05-19T10:36:25.866-05:00Wow. This seems like a very short timeframe for t...Wow. This seems like a very short timeframe for the town to respond. Plus, I believe there is not much to stop a driller from stealing gas from property that did not give consent. Who would know? How would you prove?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-3548760726899991932011-05-19T10:13:59.749-05:002011-05-19T10:13:59.749-05:00If fracking chemicals somehow get into the water a...If fracking chemicals somehow get into the water at the water treatment plant, how would anyone know? Even if the fracking fluid disclosure bill goes through, drillers can still get an exemption for their "trade secret" formulae. There's no way to test for the hundreds of chemicals that could possibly be used. Spilliams has to be stopped!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7973802945295732402.post-39322151759533411322011-05-19T10:08:41.576-05:002011-05-19T10:08:41.576-05:00I hope Williams is not successful. All we need is...I hope Williams is not successful. All we need is fracking under Bakersfield Park!!! What a nightmare!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com