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Got another piece of $#!% on my door from Cherokee Horn. There is no way I am signing anything and give them the right to drill anymore wells. We still have quite a bit of holdouts so they won't be able to come this way. The sooner they are done over there the better. Maybe after they are finished our property values will go up enough to sell.
I read the Aug 26, 2010 memo from the Town Attorney regarding the setback requirements and his points seem reasonable and logical to me. I believe the town acted in accordance with the law. I haven't signed a lease yet and I don't like the idea of wells in Flower Mound, but this one it seems had to be approved since the application met all of the requirements. My question would be: if applicants can legally be approved for well sites so close to the heart of our city, shouldn't the code itself be changed (vs the interpretation)? I would also like to know, if the approval of this application means that the operating company (CH) that will lease the well from Hillard can begin drilling. Do they have the number of residents with mineral rights leases to do so? Does someone here know or can someone point me to where I can find out (don't want to ask CH...not sure the answer will be honest).
Dale, They would not be able to drill under homes or within homes that didn't sign within 330 feet of an unsigned home. That is unless, of course, the Texas Railroad Commission tells them it is okay to do so. Up until this point, the RRC has always allowed the operator to "take" your minerals without a lease but compensate you for it (don't get excited, it won't be worth much, but will be worth more than what you get if you sign with CH). However, in those cases there was a lot less unsigned lots, usually in the single digits (i.e. 7, 8, 9% of the total pool). They have never seen a situation with this much unsigned. Is drilling going to happen on Hilliard's, yes. Is it a done deal underneath your property, not even close. LISD has not signed. If enough other people do not sign, we can at least have a chance of keeping the size of the pad site smaller than it would have been. i.e. less fracking, less trucks, less emissions, less noice, less **insert bad thing here**
Here are the LISD release for the Hilliard area. So that means Southeast, South and Southwest of the pad site is no longer leased. That stops about half the wells right there. http://www.whosplayin.com/xoops/uploads/47615076-d441-ab28.pdf
So it appears that LISD did sign a lease for approx. 273 acres but that the lessee basically cancelled the lease. If LISD signed it once, what is to stop them from signing it again? "They would not be able to drill under homes or within homes that didn't sign within 330 feet of an unsigned home." -- where could I see this statute or law or reg for myself? I know of several people who recently signed leases b/c they allowed the CH people to convice them that they would "lose out" if they did not sign.
Rule 37 can be viewed here: http://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=16&pt=1&ch=3&rl=37
The Barnett Shale has special "field rules" so it is 330 feet" in this case.
On LISD, nothing is keeping them from signing again, but they have stated they are not seeking leases... http://www.planostar.com/articles/2010/08/04/carrollton_leader/news/68.txt
"After the meeting, Kyer said the district isn’t actively seeking leases, and she said there would be several issues that needed to be resolved with various cities and towns in the district regarding gas drilling regulations before pursing such an opportunity."
To Cherokee Horn...you have a responsibility to negotiate in good faith. If you think you are going to flip the leases to Titan and try a force pool, we have people who will sign affidavits that you are getting people to sign legally binding agreements under duress. Furthermore, you are providing what is known to be false information about how many leases you have, telling people specific neighbors are signing when they are not, and telling them false information about what may/may not happen if they do not sign. When we all show up in Austin, YOU will not take the high ground, we won't let you.
This is not primary source documentation, but I found it informative about forced pooling confirming what anonymous @ Aug 27 11:02 said about the 330 ft. Also contains some info about what they would have to pay you if they did forced pooling. So the letter I received recently from CH stating that Hilliard had been approved and that if I didn't sign quickly with CH I would lose any revenue from the drilling was a bald faced lie: they have to pay you if they force pool.
Dale, I wanted to clarify some of the issues around force pooling. Yes, if you are force pooled you must be paid a fair value for your minerals. Historically, people who have been forced pooled have received more compensation, however, it is STILL a possiblity that if you do not sign you will receive nothing becase the operator can choose to not go after minerals in a certain area. For our desires, that is fine with us, less tanks, less pollution, less trucks, less activity at the site, etc, etc. Also, if you are force pooled you will not receive a bonus (not that anyone here cares).
Hard Documentation - http://www.rrc.state.tx.us/meetings/ogpfd/ogpomipa/9-61248.jmd_000.pdf
Look at #6 on page 4, where they were paid 3/4 as a working interest with a zero risk penalty (i.e. if it's a dry hole you don't get stuck with a bill)
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They won't let Home Depot have an orange sign, but 20 gas wells in the center of town is okey-dokey.
ReplyDelete...and Home Depot didn't sue.
ReplyDeleteMaybe the legal fund can be used to buy the NFL+H a spine.
ReplyDeleteBurn, baby, burn.
ReplyDeleteGot another piece of $#!% on my door from Cherokee Horn. There is no way I am signing anything and give them the right to drill anymore wells. We still have quite a bit of holdouts so they won't be able to come this way. The sooner they are done over there the better. Maybe after they are finished our property values will go up enough to sell.
ReplyDeleteI read the Aug 26, 2010 memo from the Town Attorney regarding the setback requirements and his points seem reasonable and logical to me. I believe the town acted in accordance with the law. I haven't signed a lease yet and I don't like the idea of wells in Flower Mound, but this one it seems had to be approved since the application met all of the requirements. My question would be: if applicants can legally be approved for well sites so close to the heart of our city, shouldn't the code itself be changed (vs the interpretation)? I would also like to know, if the approval of this application means that the operating company (CH) that will lease the well from Hillard can begin drilling. Do they have the number of residents with mineral rights leases to do so? Does someone here know or can someone point me to where I can find out (don't want to ask CH...not sure the answer will be honest).
ReplyDeleteDale, They would not be able to drill under homes or within homes that didn't sign within 330 feet of an unsigned home. That is unless, of course, the Texas Railroad Commission tells them it is okay to do so. Up until this point, the RRC has always allowed the operator to "take" your minerals without a lease but compensate you for it (don't get excited, it won't be worth much, but will be worth more than what you get if you sign with CH). However, in those cases there was a lot less unsigned lots, usually in the single digits (i.e. 7, 8, 9% of the total pool). They have never seen a situation with this much unsigned. Is drilling going to happen on Hilliard's, yes. Is it a done deal underneath your property, not even close. LISD has not signed. If enough other people do not sign, we can at least have a chance of keeping the size of the pad site smaller than it would have been. i.e. less fracking, less trucks, less emissions, less noice, less **insert bad thing here**
ReplyDeleteHere are the LISD release for the Hilliard area. So that means Southeast, South and Southwest of the pad site is no longer leased. That stops about half the wells right there.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.whosplayin.com/xoops/uploads/47615076-d441-ab28.pdf
Anybody else get another sheet of lies and untruths from Cheapokee Horn? I used it to clean up after my dog in the backyard. Recycle!
ReplyDeleteSo it appears that LISD did sign a lease for approx. 273 acres but that the lessee basically cancelled the lease. If LISD signed it once, what is to stop them from signing it again? "They would not be able to drill under homes or within homes that didn't sign within 330 feet of an unsigned home." -- where could I see this statute or law or reg for myself? I know of several people who recently signed leases b/c they allowed the CH people to convice them that they would "lose out" if they did not sign.
ReplyDeleteRule 37 can be viewed here:
ReplyDeletehttp://info.sos.state.tx.us/pls/pub/readtac$ext.TacPage?sl=R&app=9&p_dir=&p_rloc=&p_tloc=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=16&pt=1&ch=3&rl=37
The Barnett Shale has special "field rules" so it is 330 feet" in this case.
On LISD, nothing is keeping them from signing again, but they have stated they are not seeking leases...
http://www.planostar.com/articles/2010/08/04/carrollton_leader/news/68.txt
"After the meeting, Kyer said the district isn’t actively seeking leases, and she said there would be several issues that needed to be resolved with various cities and towns in the district regarding gas drilling regulations before pursing such an opportunity."
To Cherokee Horn...you have a responsibility to negotiate in good faith. If you think you are going to flip the leases to Titan and try a force pool, we have people who will sign affidavits that you are getting people to sign legally binding agreements under duress. Furthermore, you are providing what is known to be false information about how many leases you have, telling people specific neighbors are signing when they are not, and telling them false information about what may/may not happen if they do not sign. When we all show up in Austin, YOU will not take the high ground, we won't let you.
ReplyDeleteThis is not primary source documentation, but I found it informative about forced pooling confirming what anonymous @ Aug 27 11:02 said about the 330 ft. Also contains some info about what they would have to pay you if they did forced pooling. So the letter I received recently from CH stating that Hilliard had been approved and that if I didn't sign quickly with CH I would lose any revenue from the drilling was a bald faced lie: they have to pay you if they force pool.
ReplyDeleteDale, I wanted to clarify some of the issues around force pooling. Yes, if you are force pooled you must be paid a fair value for your minerals. Historically, people who have been forced pooled have received more compensation, however, it is STILL a possiblity that if you do not sign you will receive nothing becase the operator can choose to not go after minerals in a certain area. For our desires, that is fine with us, less tanks, less pollution, less trucks, less activity at the site, etc, etc. Also, if you are force pooled you will not receive a bonus (not that anyone here cares).
ReplyDeleteHard Documentation -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rrc.state.tx.us/meetings/ogpfd/ogpomipa/9-61248.jmd_000.pdf
Look at #6 on page 4, where they were paid 3/4 as a working interest with a zero risk penalty (i.e. if it's a dry hole you don't get stuck with a bill)